A country with bad medical support will have many dead children.
Fewer children won't make medical support better.
What am I reading? OvO

It's like saying having fewer cars will make streetwork better.

If you actually want to help them you gotta help them industrialize, not get rid of them.

We're already 7 billions of people. Imo, third-world countries or rich western countries it doesn't matter, we'll have to lower our world population anyway. "Stealth genocide" or not. (Btw "stealth genocide" sounds a lot like anti-abortion convinced)

Thing is, we're past the point where we can provide ressources for everyone. We gotta product nasty industrial food in epic proportions to feed the "first-world" countries. Forcing 3rd-world countries to lower their population to save some ressources is pretty vain, they're already ressourceless and dying from malnutrition/hunger/wars and the amount of ressources other countries send them is unsignificant.

The 1 child policy should be a world wide concern. Being able to feed a 4 children family doesn't mean you should do it, it's fuckin egoяstic and short sighted. And if your 4 children act the same as you ("you" being general), well, earth will quickly turn into hell for future generations.

I can't see how Humanity can be considered an intelligent species if it's too stupid to auto-regulate itself not to destroy its only place to live.

So, due to the western world being overpopulated, india and china as well, african countries shall not be allowed to reach the population the lands can support? The resources are strained, but the earth can feed more people in most nations in Africa!

And no, kids are actually an asset to families in most african countries. Yes, some argue that they should go to school instead of haloing their families, but where does that bring a nation which has severe problems within the workforce?

Bad analogy? Having fewer cars will make streetwork better.


Regardless, surely if you have less children you have to spend less money on clothing, food, education, etc, so quality of life will be higher, and the mean education level will rise.

Never said they shouldn't be allowed, but in the present state they will never be able (even tho I don't see the point of reaching that point) : the mortality rate is way too high. Mainly because of western countries and China being overpopulated and looting Africa's ressources for the sake of their own benefits, and because we imposed boundaries and "democracies" to ethnies that didn't want to have anything to do together, generating endless civil and religious wars to make it easier to control Africa's ressources.

We're at a point we know earth's ressouces are limited, and we know our constantly growing population is obviously dangerous for ourselves, why would we keep on growing consciously ?
You can't defend making more children to have more "working hands" for their family. Yes, It IS a reality, doesn't mean it's the way to go. It basically means you condemn those children to an uneducated life of slavery for the sake of rich countries exploiting their lands.

Thing is, it's "good" for the economy of rich countries to keep African people from educating themselves, even if it humanly is an aberration. Rich countries want Africa to be dependant. If financially influencing people and politics were altruistic people we would have known a long time ago.

A severe problems within the workforce ? You don't need much workforce for people to live decently, you need workforce to be "economicaly competitive" on the international scene, which is another western idea ;p
Plus, the workforce needed is proportional to the amount of inhabitants, the less people there is, the less people need to work to provide for everyone / the more people there is, the more etc...
Even if we share a few common traits with ants, that's not what we are !

We live in a nasty, nasty, nasty nasty nasty worldwide economical system based on the domination of others. Gotta bring it down if you want third world countries' people to ever have a decent life.


Hmm, I know it comes from good intentions, but helping them achieve quickly what fucked our society up in a few decades doesn't sound like a long term solution at all. Plus, as said above, rich countries want Africa to be dependant, actual governments will never help them this way, and NGO don't have the means to do it.

I don't think the point is to "get rid of them" at all. You probably misunderstood that mister EV's idea.

How can a sneaky genocide not be called "getting rid of them"?

When there are less children there will be less money due to lower workforce. Poor families rely on increased workforce to support themselves. You can't reduce a country's workforce and expect it to become richer magically.
As for my analogy: When you have fewer cars you will have less money from taxes to improve streets. ;o

Overpopulation may be a problem but simply reducing it does not cure anything. It's a rather simplistic attempt at solving a complex problem.

Because that's not how you get rid of a population! ;p

Lowering a population to provide "more comfort" (that's all relative tho) to that same population might allow them to "bloom" and earn in quality of life.

Even thought I defend that EV's solution I really don't think that's the magic answer that will save Africa, it might help some other 3rd world countries (because that's what it is about, not just Africa), but the continent got so abused by Europe during centuries (and now China as well) the poorest countries over there need another kind of help...
Lack of water, lack of food, lack of education, lack of medical support, wars, dictatorships, lack of interest from the international community, AIDS, malaria etc... making less children will obviously won't magically save them.

But, making less children should be a world wide concern. Rich or poor, every countries should make less children anyway.

If you think contraconception/voluntary sterilisation is killing a potential human being, so is having a wank or using a condom.

On another subject, that makes me think of Spain. Their government is trying to vote an anti-abortion law, regression much [As well as a 'fascistic' anti-strike law]. Sad times.