Originally Posted by
HeavyBob
So now what your saying is that it's as easy as simply fixing their culture. Thats not possible, they can't just create money out of thin air and use it to help get them into better situations. When your living situation is awful and the people are as well, and the main reason for it is lack of money you can't just "fix" it. They have no means of earning the money required to "fix" their culture.
This assumption that having less than X amount of money makes you automatically a criminal, and that the problem can be solved just by throwing X amount of money at them is absolutely absurd. Morality is independant of money.
Hood culture's love of money at all costs once again rears it's ugly face. People who think it's OK to break the kill, steal, deal drugs are not 'good people just doing it tough'. Giving them a payout won't fix them.
Originally Posted by
darkexxod
Two of the ell know gangs in my area started in the 1900s to help save colored people from whites CRIP (Community Revolution In progress) and BLOOD (Brotherly Love Overcomes Our Depression) fought fire with fire , and as the white supremacist tried their hardest to set colored people up with cocaine and staged murders these gangs fought to protect the community
Don't judge the hood
Both Bloods and Crips were made to fight rival gangs, there is nothing noble about these criminals.
Glorification of the worst elements of society once again shows just how broken hood culture is. These are people who have committed every crime in the book many times over.
Originally Posted by
Thorn
As for ImmortalPig, I'm not even sure you're being serious at this point. I never asserted or implied that institutions should be required to consider dubious applicants, or that society owes criminal cultures anything. In fact, I'm not even going to continue because you are either: A) just pulling things out of your ass for the sake of argument, which is stupid or; B) you're too dense to argue with in the first place.
You heavily implied that rehabilitation is the problem. Why would someone say that if they didn't think that society doesn't owe criminals anything?
If you want to say that's what you think, then how do you explain your previous post;
Originally Posted by
Thorn
How easy do you think it is to go from criminality to innocence? Do you think that any institution (company/college) is particularly inclined to invest in a proven delinquent? Most corporations simply refuse to hire people with criminal history, besides where equality laws prevail. Even minor offenses, which are typically what small timers start with, can be the start of the spiral. It's not easy to avoid if it's part of your local culture, which is a very real possibility in the States. It also has to do with the mentality and skills you develop. A vagrant mentality does not translate easily or swiftly into standard society.
It's pretty silly to assert that people caught in a criminal culture can just "stop". Even if it were that simple, it's certainly not an easy task.
To answer your questions in order:
1. Easy, just don't commit crime.
2. No, and they have no obligation to.
3. It's easy to stop being a criminal, you just don't commit crime and you're done.
I'm not sure why you are trying to get my to sympathise with criminals. Every single one of them knowingly committed crimes. People who assault others, gang members that kill, and drug dealers plying their trade all do it knowing that they are 100% in the wrong. Trying to frame them as "people doing it rough" is insanity.
It's a cultural problem and personally I don't think it should be tolerated. Hood mentality is a cancer that needs to be removed.