i think the tier thing is stupid, it's basically saying, you are this good if you have this color which is not usually the case. i understand the qi and being able to kind of 'unlock' the use of new colors, but saying specific colors are for beginners is kinda lame. but that's my only little nitpick, if you lost money it sucks but you invested in it, you don't really deserve a refund. that's like if you bought a turkey for $20 and the next day there is a sale on turkey and it's now $10, you don't get your money back for that.

I dont see those people being average users. specially mars bars, seeing as his he just buys shit with real money evertime needed. Asking them is like asking gas companys what the price of gas should be. "As high as possible so we can make as much profit!"

Maybe instead we have a poll of sorts to rank all the colors, then adjust it from there. This was EVERYONE gets a chance to put in a opinion on the quality of the items.
Highest value items still being things like void.

Lets be a democracy!

Polls never helped any forum decision.

Im just saying there is probably a better solution then asking mars bars.

yeah the idea of nate is pretty good,also i just saw 35$ void force -_-

Who says anything about polls? This is a movement, not a peace talk, viva la revolution madafackas!

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50$? come on, that's way worse, 18$ was fine...

Sir, i have a imperial force and i am 2nd dan, what will happen with me?

And it will be useful for my set.

I didn't lose any real $ in this change but I did lose a lot of TCs. However, let me explain why there should be a refund for the people who lost actual $ because of this stupid change. First of all, Mwah your analogy is stupid (sorry, it is). You don't buy a turkey to sell it. You buy it to consume it. The turkey is a consumable good that you didn't invest any time or effort to buy it at a low price in order to sell it at a higher price and make profit. I know that sometimes the price would decrease overnight even on non-consumable, but this is an uncontrolled price change that happens in a free market (similar to what happens on the Toribash market). However no guarantee was set on the price of these items so Nabi made no mistake that they can be held accountable for.

Instead of using an analogy let me give you an example of what could have actually happened. ToribashPlayerX "invests" 100$ worth of TCs buying some cheap in-game items to sell in order to make a profit in TCs. This ToribashPlayerX loses 50% - 75% of his TCs because the Torishop prices change overnight (LITERALY, OVERNIGHT). ToribashPlayerX is screwed because he actually lost real USD in his irrational investment. This differs from him losing that USD in picking bad deals or making loses in the market itself, in that the Torishop price is a RRP and does not depend on the demand/supply of the market. This means that someone (I think its Nabi) changed these prices to reflect what they thought was a better color and what THEY thought needed to be a higher QI. This is not a free market.

Let me remind you that I have not lost actual $ through this change I am simply saying my OPINION. Now, about the warning. Some of you said that a warning would be useless as the price changes would occur in the market as they would have in the Torishop. Firstly, you are assuming that this warning would say that the price of hair color, for example would be 5% of what it used to be or that the price of forces would be half of what they used to be. NO. This warning would state that their are price changes that will happen on the following items X, Y, and Z. The purpose of this warning is to stop investments in this items (yes, this does decrease demand, yes the prices would decrease, I know how the curve works). The item prices would not have decreased as much and marketeers wouldn't have lost so much TCs. Secondly, this is a warning could just be a long term warning. Something that would indicate a GRADUAL change of the Torishop prices, not an overnight one. In fact, if the Torishop price changes were gradual a warning would be needless. In fact again, if the shop price changes were to gradually approach the upper limit of what they are on the market then a warning would be useless.

Ok, overall, this change was a disastrous hit to some of the player in Toribash and thus this discourages future investment in Toribash items (Not a good thing for Nabi ) Player will be less willing to invest actual $ in this game if the prices can actually change overnight.

Finally, I don't actually disagree with the idea of changing the Torishop prices. The shop was waaaay overpriced and everyone knew it. The prices did need to change to reflect what the people like to wear in-game i.e. demand. However, I disagree with the way these changes were executed and how much the prices (in some items) are now different.

Lets all remember though that this is an investment that people chose to make and that things never happen to go exactly as expects. All we can do right now is just hope that no more radical changes come along and screw people over like that...

NB: I won't even begin to talk about the tier system, sorry if I was too blunt/opinionated.