Completely untrue. Societal pressure does not only apply to transgenders. Plenty of demographics have been under tremendous societal pressure, yet don't have near 50% suicide rates. Gays have never had suicide rates that high, neither have blacks, untouchables in india, etc. Not even close. I'm not saying societal pressures don't exist, but it's not responsible for transgenders having the highest suicide rate out of any demographic.

First of all suicide I cant find any suicide rates for trans-gender, and in the link you supplied above
this is all that was available on this, so I dont know where youre getting your suicide figure of 50% from. I also found this http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/f...LGBT_Youth.pdf
which gives some interesting figures, I will ignore the higher risk section as that would clearly be an unfair test however:

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All of these studies contradict what you said about LGB having much lower suicide rates, they range from the 50%s to the 30%s even the studies around 30% can't be considered as much less as remember, according to you: "5-10% is largely negligible", right?


Have you ever considered that maybe believing you're a different gender is actually quite damaging to someone's mind? It isn't a rational thought. Do you regularly look at yourself in the mirror to affirm your gender? It isn't normal.

On this point, gender dysphoria is not believing you are another gender. "Gender dysphoria is a condition there is a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity."

Gender identity is not the gender you believe you are in reality, its what you identify yourself as, i.e. Person X knows they are a man but believes they should be a woman.
So the condition is not what you believed.
To bring this back on topic to the thread, I will talk about Trans-gender people rather than people with gender dysphoria.

the others are conditions which can cause 1. Murder
http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.o...-schizophrenia

5-10% is nothing compared to nearly 50%. It's largely negligible. Besides, we treat schizophrenics as best we can, we don't accommodate them and confirm that yes indeed michael jackson told them to kill osama bin laden.

Have you even read your own source? "we treat schizophrenics as best we can". Sentence 1 of your source you used as evidence:

We may as well also take this figure into account http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/g...ia-and-suicide
So suicides + homicides ((5 - 10)+(20-40)=25-50) which gets you up to your magic 50 number which I dont know how you got

2. Death from excessive weight loss and malnutrition
http://www.eatingforlife.org/content...ia-and-suicide
This article was before any major research was done on gender dysphoria. Back then, anorexics had the highest suicide rate out of any demographic. They did not die because they starved themselves, as the article confirms, they commit suicide due to self hatred(commonly occurring theme with everything involving suicide. The way to help anorexics isn't to forcefeed them as you imply by saying that. You treat them by providing them with therapy and understanding why they feel that way, before helping them feel differently.

Anorexia treatment almost invariably comes in 2 parts, mental and physical, also:
http://www.anad.org/get-information/...rs-statistics/
"Almost 50% of people with eating disorders meet the criteria for depression." So clearly a large proportion of these deaths are not from depression as you suggested

So it turns out, most deaths are due to a multitude of reasons, heart problems appear to be as large a killer in this case as suicide.

3. Suicide.
And why exactly is that? Could it possibly be for any of the reasons I described above?
This hurt my brain, its a separate condition I dont understand what reason of the above you could possibly mean?




No suicide from gender dysphoria is directly attributable to it, if you still disagree, please explain how believing you should be the opposite gender cold lead to a suicide.

Originally Posted by JSnuffMARS

So why would a depressed person ever take shit from society and sleep late in mornings and then procrastinate most of the day, while still feeling discomfort in doing so, rather that getting out of his/her comfort zone, taking his/her chances and chasing goals?

Originally Posted by Redundant

Then you and I have different views on therapy.
To me therapy regarding mental illnesses is only necessary when a person is unable to function socially. As soon as the person is capable of functioning again and possesses the means to be happy it's time to stop therapy.
There is no reason to stop someone from changing their gender if that's what they want after all other options have been proven to be inefficient to reach the goal of happiness.

I appreciate your ability to quickly google some sources to support your point. What I don't appreciate is that you are not capable of telling how valuable those sources are.
Individual cases are hardly relevant.
Particularly the study you provided is laughable. Of course transgender people have a higher mortality. They have a lot of problems to integrate into society, are inherently mentally unstable and suffer from all sorts of problems in general.
You should also look up a study about mortality rates of people who want a sexchange but don't get it, or people with any sort of mental disorder for that matter. You will find that most or even all of them have increased mortality rates.

So why would a depressed person ever take shit from society and sleep late in mornings and then procrastinate most of the day, while still feeling discomfort in doing so, rather that getting out of his/her comfort zone, taking his/her chances and chasing goals?

Originally Posted by Aracoon

As somebody with severe Major Depressive disorder, I understand it because I have watched countless others deal with it and I have seen how depression cripples you. If your depression is bad it can and most likely will rob you of your self confidence, your self worth, your hope (hopelessness) your dreams, your mental stability and sound of mind. It causes unimaginable weight loss/gain and it makes you hate your body for it. I sleep late in mornings, procrastinate most of the day, hate myself for it and then end up confused and very resentful. Afterward take it out on myself. If you would like to continue this, I would prefer to do it via PM.

I think the point Hyde is trying to get across is that dysrophobia can cause severe depression and anxiety related issues. This is because of the fact that it is a mental illness, and often time mental illnesses can trigger other mental illnesses. Severe anxiety/depression on top of dysrophobia most certainly would not be fun, and would be extremely confusing to deal with on top of your gender confusion.